In the previous post Italian Doctor: in Covid I Acted as Usual, I Had No Death or ICU Hospitalization we reported, translated from Italian, the first part of an interview that an Italian doctor, Dr. Maria Grazia Dondini, general practitioner in Monterenzio, in the province of Bologna, gave to the website La Nuova Bussola Quotidiana (LNBQ).

What Dr. Dondini says becomes more relevant every day, as we discover more and more that the Covid tests used are unreliable, they are not accurate enough but only find fragments or traces of viruses, which can be dead or inactive, with the result that many healthy people test positive, namely the tests give numerous false positives.

Here is the second part of her interview. In the first sentence the interviewer is referring to the situation the doctor had previously described when the epidemic was first declared and the Italian Health Ministry instructed physicians to isolate and reduce contacts with the sick, including patients with the atypical pneumonias (presenting symptoms similar to Covid-19) that recurred every autumn-to-spring and were successfully treated with antibiotics, which had now become impossible (emphases are added):

LNBQ: With this approach, however, a person doesn’t just die of Covid. If you leave a sick person at home without treatment …

Dondini: Yes, absolutely. Then there is another problem. We would arrive at the hospital, perform the test: positive swab result, and the diagnosis of COVID-19 was made. And those people were treated as such. Full stop. Here in Bologna there was also something else: patients who resulted negative at the tests were given one or more chest CT scans and the diagnosis of COVID-19 was formulated on the basis of the “ground glass” images. I talked to a radiologist and she confirmed to me that these radiological images are not pathognomonic for [specifically characteristic or indicative of] COVID-19, since they appear in many other pathologies. And so we ended up concealing other even more serious clinical syndromes. Therefore I believe that countless clinical conditions have not been treated as they should have been.

LNBQ: You also raised doubts as to the correctness of the test results.

Dondini: The first Chinese study of January 24 states that, regarding the isolation of SARS-COV-2, the Henle-Koch postulates, necessary for effectively isolating a virus or bacterium, have not been respected. In this regard, I went to a research laboratory to request information, also because a document was circulating from which it appeared that, to start this gene amplification, a primer [short nucleic acid sequence that provides a starting point for DNA synthesis of living beings] was used that apparently has a complementary sequence to human chromosome 8 (which would mean 100% false positives). I was told that Koch’s postulates are over a century old. So I asked: sorry, you work with a gene sequence; but to make a vaccine you will need the whole virus. They replied that, in this case, Koch’s postulates would be necessary, because for a vaccine we would need the viral envelope. It seems to me rather contradictory. We should thoroughly investigate how these tests are produced, and remember that the same creator of the gene amplification test, Dr. Mullis, has always maintained that it should not be used for diagnostic purposes!

LNBQ: The WHO makes available the data on influenza. Since April of this year, the flu seems to have practically no longer existed.

Dondini: Sure. But not only that. We annually receive the report on the influenza of the previous autumn-winter. They deliver it to us the following autumn, at the start of the flu vaccination campaign. This year, strangely, this report arrived towards the end of February: this means that it had already been decided that all influenza/flu-like forms should be baptized as COVID-19. The flu has disappeared, along with much more. I am convinced that we are faced with numerous overdiagnoses of COVID-19.

LNBQ: A word about the overcrowding of hospitals.

Dondini: On the data of hospitalizations and intensive care: there can be no clarity until it is specified who these people are and what they actually suffer from. From the data communicated it is not clear: this necessary operation of defining the admissions is not carried out. They simply give numbers, such as the numbers of positive tests in mostly asymptomatic patients. And this takes us away from the real extent of the problem, as long as we have to talk about COVID-19. It is evident that there is a will to research only that.

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